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i want to start this episode with

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something of an apology i recorded this

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episode with georgina

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uh two months ago and i recorded it on

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january the 5th of course the next day

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january the 6th was the day of the

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storming of the capital

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and that proved to be a great

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distraction for me was because lots of

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conspiracy theories

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arose from such a dramatic and momentous

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and so this episode kind of got left

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on the back burner for a while and i

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finally got around

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to digging it back up again and i think

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it's well worth a listen

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because georgina has some very

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interesting points to make which is

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still very relevant

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and very interesting uh in the context

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of what happened

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with the storming of the capital so here

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welcome to tales from the rabbit hole

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i'm your host mick west

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my guest today is georgina georgina

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lives in the uk and she has a friend

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who believes in conspiracy theories and

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specifically at the kewan conspiracy

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theory which is kind of interesting

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because q anon is more of a

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u.s centric conspiracy theory and yet

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georgina's friend is in the uk

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georgina said something at the end of

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this podcast that i thought

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would be actually a good thing to start

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with because not everyone listens to the

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end of the podcast so i wanted to get

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this in

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so let's start with that and then we'll

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start into the podcast

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i just want to say that if you're living

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at home at the moment with someone who's

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into queuing on come on the q and on

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casualties

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read it there's loads of support on

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there and great advice

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and it's good to then um

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and you might get some valuable

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information on how to help someone

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and if you do see a friend or family

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member going down that road

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it's best to try and speak to them

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before they get too far in

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and to remain compassionate people

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aren't idiots because they believe in

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conspiracy theories

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it could happen to anyone so treat

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people with compassion

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okay and here is georgina

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thank you very much for uh for talking

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to me and

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so you contacted me after i posted on a

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reddit uh forum for people who have

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friends

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who were stuck down the q a rabbit hole

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yeah so they read it's called q anon

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so what kind of drove you to like

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actually find that

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community online i've got a friend who

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at the start of the first look down in

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the uk

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i wasn't aware of q anon before any of

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this it wasn't something that was in my

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but she started sharing q and on stuff

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general conspiracy theories i mean i've

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heard of you know conspiracy theories

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april something like that

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yeah around that sort of time i would

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pandemic everyone sort of seemed to be

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on the same page and then these

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conspiracies started

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well i started to become aware of them

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anyway so she wasn't interested in

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q and on before any of that now what

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types of stuff was she interested in

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before that uh that were kind of like

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kind of adjacent to that type of belief

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i'd definitely say she was interested in

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conspiracy theories

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ones that i think are quite common stuff

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um big pharma pushing pills onto people

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that don't need them

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anti-vaxx sort of stuff i never

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child who's vaccinated

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but it's something that you come across

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all the time people don't trust the

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conspiracy theories not that it's

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something that's in my life a lot

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um or that i think about often but you

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the concerns that maybe people are being

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prescribed things that they don't really

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that sort of thing um but she was never

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other conspiracies nothing like 911 or

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chemtrails or anything like that

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anti-backs would be the most kind of

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extreme thing that she believed in

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are distrustful of the government it's

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kind of healthy to have a bit yeah

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it's like most people uh you know

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thinks of politicians as being

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distrustful characters it's not really

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only expected that people are

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distrustful of politicians and hence

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hence the government

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perfectly healthy um

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suspicion for people to have yeah i'd

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to always like look at things from two

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try and work out what the middle point

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stuff with you

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different conspiracies that she'd heard

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covert 19 and um one of the things that

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fall of the cabal

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it but i found it unwatchable

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this big conspiracy where the queen and

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in their yeah blood and then they drink

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the information that you can get off

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the advert but her response was that

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it would that would that would have been

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to cover up something that actually

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they're going to use to poison us

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because the q anon

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conspiracy contains so many different

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too much yeah oh yeah definitely that's

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a big problem i have because you know

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podcast is is debunking individual

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conspiracy theories and

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individual bits of evidence and it's

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often referred to as playing a game of

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whack-a-mole because you you whack down

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a bunch

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then if you have whack-a-mole in uh in

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the uk it's like

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an arcade game where you hit things okay

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i didn't know if it was an american game

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or not might be called something

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a badger or something you hit one of

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these things on the head and another one

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and it's it's in some regards it's

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i think steve bannon who's a guy over

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pour out endless conspiracy theorists so

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theories can always move on to another

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one i'm sure that's

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what your friend would have done yeah so

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i think some of the

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some of the things that she was talking

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about at the start

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like 5g that seems to have disappeared

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now i don't think

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really yeah don't she doesn't talk about

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5g

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being a cause of coronavirus anymore

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um do you know why she would have moved

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on from that

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you think she's just found more

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interesting things to talk about or does

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she no longer believe that

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i think that's interesting i'm not i'm

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not 100 sure

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it used to be something that was brought

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up in conversation a lot so

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maybe just doesn't bring it up anymore

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because she knows that i don't

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believe that it was caused by 5g but

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also there's a lot of evidence online

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i've seen some good things on youtube

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that show like the spread of 5g where it

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started

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and you know the spread of coronavirus

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and where that's starting how

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it doesn't correlate that sort of thing

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so i don't know but she was interested

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in

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5g before coronavirus anyway that was a

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conspiracy theory that she was

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already interested in um i can remember

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her sending me a letter that had been

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signed by

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scientists a hundred different

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scientists or something like that to say

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they think more research should be done

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into 5g

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but yeah like all of her

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original conspiracy theories were all

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like

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centered around health yeah

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i would say so yeah so she works she

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works in

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environmental sciences and i think her

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master's degree is in environmental

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sciences so

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that's got a massive part to play and i

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think

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there are genuine problems that we have

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in the world

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climate cover-ups that would be

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considered a conspiracy

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but obviously there are things that are

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real there are real conspiracies

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yeah part of um this q anon

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conspiracy that she follows now is that

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she doesn't believe in climate change

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anymore

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she used to believe in climate change

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but now she thinks

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that that ties into the conspiracy as

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well now when you say she doesn't

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believe in

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climate change does that mean she

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doesn't believe carbon dioxide warming

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the climate

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yeah so she thinks it's natural yeah so

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she does

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believe in obviously plastic pollution

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that sort of thing you you can't deny it

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but global warming she doesn't believe

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and she also thinks we're about to enter

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an ice age

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is it is that a conspiracy in america do

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you have that or

363
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climate change thing yeah yeah and it's

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it's a huge thing over here

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uh a lot of people

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think that uh you know it's it's kind of

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a

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restrictions on industry so you get this

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this this kind of politically based uh

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belief in science

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where the democrats tend to be more uh

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in favor of regulation of industry and

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the

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republicans are opposed to regulation of

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industry and that's led to

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the democrats being more in favor of the

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science that

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indicates we need regulation and the

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republicans the other way

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uh and it's you know a lot of people i

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think really don't understand the

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science

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behind global warming and the greenhouse

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effect of carbon dioxide and things like

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that

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and so you have to go by

387
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some experts opinion and people end up

388
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picking their experts

389
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like your friend is choosing to believe

390
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her pierce corbin

391
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uh even she probably doesn't understand

392
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the science and pierce corbin probably

393
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doesn't understand the science either

394
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but this ends up being what comes across

395
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i think that's part of the problem as

396
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well because um

397
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i'm not a scientific person and i i

398
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don't

399
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i try and put my trust in people that i

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think are suitably qualified

401
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but i feel like at the moment people

402
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really distrust

403
00:13:44,629 --> 00:13:42,480
um scientists or the scientific opinion

404
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um and i think that that's played a

405
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massive part into it

406
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um but the problem with q anon is it's

407
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such a large umbrella and it contains so

408
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much

409
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brought into it

410
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that if you believed you were a bit

411
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anti-vaxx or

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you were a bit climate change denial

413
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there's something in there for everyone

414
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so

415
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people get drawn in um through their

416
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their interest and then they take on

417
00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:14,000
these other pieces but they also

418
00:14:17,670 --> 00:14:15,920
discard the bits they're not that that

419
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bothered about

420
00:14:22,150 --> 00:14:20,880
um i don't think most of people that

421
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follow queue and on i don't think that

422
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they

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go on um a [\h__\h] and look at the drops i

424
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don't

425
00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:30,959
part of it anymore

426
00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:33,600
i think it's more of a community

427
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community-led

428
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thing yeah it seems to be

429
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almost becoming an established mythology

430
00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:44,800
uh that people believe as a set number

431
00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:45,920
of things

432
00:14:49,030 --> 00:14:47,360
uh you know one of the problems with

433
00:14:50,069 --> 00:14:49,040
with debunking queueing on is that it

434
00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:50,079
seems like you're getting these new

435
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things over and over again

436
00:14:56,629 --> 00:14:55,120
uh but i think as as it grows and

437
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becomes more established like you said

438
00:14:59,750 --> 00:14:58,079
people aren't so much following what

439
00:15:01,269 --> 00:14:59,760
happens on a day-to-day basis and that's

440
00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:01,279
kind of fracturing now anyway i think

441
00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:01,600
with

442
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:04,079
the the election approaching and donald

443
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trump will be replaced

444
00:15:13,829 --> 00:15:10,240
uh by joe biden uh in a couple of weeks

445
00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:13,839
uh and i think it's it's it's

446
00:15:17,269 --> 00:15:15,760
maybe solidifying the conspiracy theory

447
00:15:19,269 --> 00:15:17,279
into something that can be more easily

448
00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:19,279
addressed that's my hope anyway

449
00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:20,800
but i just wanna go go back to something

450
00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:22,639
he's he said uh well something i said

451
00:15:26,069 --> 00:15:24,160
earlier like i said your friend probably

452
00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:26,079
doesn't understand the the science of

453
00:15:29,749 --> 00:15:28,399
global warming and and i don't i was

454
00:15:31,590 --> 00:15:29,759
making an assumption there

455
00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:31,600
and i remember you told me like she has

456
00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:32,880
a master's degree and you just said

457
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she's

458
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:36,399
in environmental sciences so

459
00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:38,560
is she scientifically based would she

460
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:40,880
understand the science behind level one

461
00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:43,920
she is scientifically based um she works

462
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:45,040
in soil

463
00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:46,959
management which is um slightly

464
00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:48,560
different that's why i'd probably say

465
00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:50,320
maybe she doesn't understand the science

466
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:52,000
of global warming

467
00:15:55,509 --> 00:15:54,000
she probably is something that she could

468
00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:55,519
understand though if she

469
00:16:01,990 --> 00:15:58,880
looked into it but then i think people

470
00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:02,000
look for what supports their current

471
00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:02,560
view

472
00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:04,399
and that's part of the issue is that

473
00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:05,839
she's looking for things to support what

474
00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:07,040
she currently thinks

475
00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:08,800
not not the other side to see what the

476
00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:11,519
other side is she did previously believe

477
00:16:14,949 --> 00:16:12,800
in climate change

478
00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:14,959
so she must be looking at some

479
00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:16,639
information now that that tells her

480
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:17,759
differently

481
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:20,079
what role do you think her kind of

482
00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:21,600
religious beliefs

483
00:16:27,110 --> 00:16:25,279
had in this my friend is

484
00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:27,120
i would say spiritual but doesn't follow

485
00:16:30,389 --> 00:16:28,480
an organized religion

486
00:16:32,230 --> 00:16:30,399
she does talk about jesus but then she

487
00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:32,240
also talks about more sort of

488
00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:35,279
pagan type type things so she's

489
00:16:38,629 --> 00:16:37,680
always taken bits of religions that she

490
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:38,639
likes or

491
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,399
but not strongly religious doesn't go to

492
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church on sunday or anything like that

493
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:44,959
but one thing that i have noticed over

494
00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:46,639
this period is she speaks about god a

495
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:47,519
lot more

496
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:50,800
know the

497
00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:53,199
in the uh american side of this

498
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:54,079
conspiracy

499
00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:57,759
people tie it to god a lot so i have

500
00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:59,279
noticed that her

501
00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:01,199
her speech she talks about god a lot

502
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:04,240
more or being blessed by god or follow

503
00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:07,520
following god's god's plan yeah here

504
00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:08,480
over here is very

505
00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:11,679
uh god and really jesus based i think

506
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:14,160
uh kind of an even evangelical

507
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:14,880
christianity

508
00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:17,839
behind it there's some of the the people

509
00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:18,799
who are

510
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:21,679
famous in the in the theory like there's

511
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,000
a lawyer here called lynn wood

512
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who has been spouting up a lot of stuff

513
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about the election and

514
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and he often phrases this with you know

515
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talk about angels and biblical verses

516
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then there's a former general called

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michael flynn uh who

518
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uh also you know says that he's part of

519
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god's army and things like that

520
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:42,640
so it's yeah there's obviously like a

521
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difference in the terms of the

522
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evangelical versus secular with the the

523
00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:48,720
united states and the uk uh but it's

524
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:49,919
kind of interesting that that kind of

525
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would

526
00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:54,080
affect people in in britain because like

527
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i guess

528
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:56,559
most of the q anon stuff is very

529
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:58,480
us-centric i mean it's not like hugh

530
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:00,000
talks about what's going on in britain

531
00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:03,039
very often no that's one of the things i

532
00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:04,400
don't really understand

533
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:06,640
i've never heard of it this conspiracy

534
00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:08,960
before coronavirus and i think that's

535
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:11,200
obviously drawn a lot of people in in

536
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:12,320
the uk

537
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:14,559
i was listening to him i think it was a

538
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:17,520
q a non anonymous podcast the other day

539
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:18,799
and um they were saying they have a

540
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:20,799
really big following in the netherlands

541
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:22,880
and that's where the fall of the cabal

542
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:24,400
documentary is from

543
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:26,880
which i just find bizarre i don't

544
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:28,799
understand why there's such a big

545
00:18:32,789 --> 00:18:31,360
uh following in the netherlands and

546
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:32,799
there's a lot of people

547
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:36,000
um here i don't know whether it's my

548
00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:37,280
friendship circle

549
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:38,640
there's a lot of people that are drawn

550
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:41,520
to it but we have david ike here

551
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:43,520
and you know you come across the odd

552
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:45,679
person who who believes in david arc and

553
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:46,559
i think those

554
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:48,880
those people that were already drawn to

555
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:49,679
that

556
00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:52,960
have sort of gone over as well um

557
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:55,520
but but q doesn't talk about the uk

558
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:56,720
which

559
00:19:01,430 --> 00:19:00,080
i find i find it bizarre that the people

560
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,440
here have been drawn in

561
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,039
yeah so you get all these british people

562
00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:05,600
who become experts in american politics

563
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:07,280
and it's almost like they've

564
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:10,160
because you go onto youtube and youtube

565
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,039
shows you

566
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,720
what's the most popular thing and

567
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:14,240
america's such a big

568
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:17,200
creator of this content it ends up

569
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:19,760
infecting all these other countries and

570
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:21,760
they become more con if conspiracy

571
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:23,200
theories perhaps become more concerned

572
00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:24,799
with american politics than

573
00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:27,360
their own country's politics yeah and

574
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:29,200
i've i've got to say i followed the

575
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:30,400
election

576
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:33,360
um in america this year more than i

577
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,960
would follow an english election

578
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,960
i mean i'm obviously interested in

579
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:38,480
politics here

580
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:42,320
but um i think i was reloading my phone

581
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:44,320
every five minutes to see what what the

582
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:45,840
updates were

583
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:48,320
and it was an exciting election that you

584
00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:49,679
had so

585
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:52,240
we've got another one today which is the

586
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:54,160
the election of the senators in georgia

587
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:55,840
which will control

588
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,480
the the senate which essentially will

589
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,559
control the entire government

590
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,320
so there's a very interesting and

591
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,799
pivotal election going on today

592
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:06,559
and of course it's it's all framed in

593
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:08,720
the context of election fraud

594
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,640
and this is this big thing about

595
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,320
election fraud i don't know if it's been

596
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:14,480
news in the uk with this specific thing

597
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,679
with the

598
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:18,080
uh there was a phone call with trump uh

599
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:18,720
yeah

600
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:21,280
the secretary of state of georgia and

601
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:23,760
trump was basically asking him to

602
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:26,880
find some votes and one side frames this

603
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:27,840
as being trump

604
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,960
trying to bully uh the the guy and the

605
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:32,640
other one the other side is framing it

606
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:33,600
as trump

607
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:37,200
justifiably like expressing his concerns

608
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,559
uh but you know this is this is the

609
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:40,400
context in which this election is going

610
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:41,200
in so

611
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,720
it's going to be very interesting today

612
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:44,400
this is what i'm going to be doing this

613
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,760
evening i think is watching the early

614
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:47,440
election returns

615
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,320
yeah and the voter the voter fraud stuff

616
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:52,320
i'd because of uh the conversations that

617
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:53,520
i'd had with my friend

618
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:56,400
about coronavirus and these conspiracies

619
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,799
she

620
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,720
asked to stop talking to me for a while

621
00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:00,400
because she didn't feel like she could

622
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:01,520
trust me or

623
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:04,000
or that i was gonna understand what she

624
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:05,280
was talking about so

625
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:06,799
we didn't speak for a few months and

626
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,960
then when we got back in contact again

627
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,640
we just sort of didn't speak about

628
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:12,159
conspiracies

629
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,280
but recently i asked her what her

630
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:16,720
opinion was of the uh

631
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:19,440
voter fraud stuff in america and she

632
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,640
sent me some links to

633
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,200
uh one america news which i think is a

634
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,520
huge is that a youtube

635
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,120
news channel it's not a real news

636
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:30,000
channel i think they do actually uh

637
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,039
appear on some cable tv stations it's

638
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,120
kind of framing itself as a

639
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,200
replacement for fox news which in fox

640
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:39,039
news in the us has been famous for being

641
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:39,840
very

642
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,480
republicans but

643
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,799
even fox news hasn't been able to you

644
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:48,559
know completely support donald trump

645
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,919
entirely and so

646
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:51,679
a few other news networks have sprung

647
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,559
into existence and one american uses

648
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:57,200
is one of those and it's actually

649
00:22:02,549 --> 00:21:58,000
becoming more and more

650
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:02,559
popular uh with the uh pro-trump crowd

651
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:05,280
and how is this voter fraud stuff

652
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:06,640
perceived in america

653
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:09,360
do people believe it or oh yeah no it's

654
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:10,000
very

655
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,760
millions and millions of people

656
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,159
uh like a significant majority of

657
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:18,559
republican voters think there was some

658
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,840
voter fraud and uh a large number of

659
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,000
people tens of millions of people

660
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:26,159
think that the democrats stole the

661
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:27,440
election

662
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,600
uh so it's it's a big issue here and

663
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,880
it's a big problem and it's going to

664
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,039
continue to be a big problem

665
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:35,280
for many years to come and it's being

666
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,240
pushed by

667
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,960
people at the top by donald trump like

668
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,559
if you listen to the

669
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:43,039
the taped conversation that came out a

670
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,720
couple days ago

671
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:47,039
uh he just basically repeats a bunch of

672
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:49,120
completely baseless conspiracy theories

673
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,720
that he seems to actually believe and

674
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:54,320
all his followers hence believe it

675
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,360
because you know if donald trump

676
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:57,679
believes it why wouldn't they believe it

677
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,360
yeah i listened to the phone call and um

678
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,919
to me it sounded like he believed he

679
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:05,360
believed what he was saying i don't

680
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,159
think he

681
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:09,360
stuff yeah

682
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:12,640
my my friend sent me some stuff by uh

683
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:15,440
is it a lawyer sydney powell yeah sydney

684
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,320
apparel

685
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:18,080
she was on his legal team for a while

686
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,360
and then they had to let her go because

687
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:21,679
she was a bit too crazy for them

688
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:24,159
yeah so she's she's ha coming out with a

689
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,200
lot of these uh

690
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,760
voter fraud conspiracies i find it

691
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,280
interesting that people still believe

692
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,960
what she's saying even though trump

693
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,080
won't have her on

694
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:34,799
on his team yeah i think uh that there's

695
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:35,120
two

696
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,799
would

697
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:40,320
you know accept that she's a little bit

698
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,640
too far gone and the other

699
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,880
set of people in the q and on crowd

700
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,279
think that it's all part of the plan

701
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:49,360
like trump let her go so she could do

702
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:51,200
her own thing and he can do his own

703
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,640
thing and then

704
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,400
together they would uh you know help

705
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:56,720
defeat the forces of darkness

706
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:59,840
uh but uh yeah and the stuff she does is

707
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,880
a little bit extreme

708
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,240
and she comes in with a whole bunch of

709
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,880
baseless stuff but really no it's

710
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,799
no more baseless than the stuff trump is

711
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,559
coming up with it's just a bit more

712
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,159
a little crazy like she talks about the

713
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:12,080
venezuelan government being involved and

714
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:12,880
things like that

715
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:16,080
and uh votes being sent to germany and

716
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:16,960
italy and

717
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,679
which is completely nonsense and then

718
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:21,200
beyond that there's this other lawyer

719
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:21,520
lynn

720
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:24,960
wood who sydney powell has appeared

721
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,000
at uh rallies with linwood

722
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,080
and and he's even further along the

723
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,640
spectrum and he's even crazier

724
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:34,640
and the degree of the conspiracy

725
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,080
theories that he puts out there and he's

726
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,080
really into the queue and on stuff

727
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,720
and he was tweeting stuff about some uh

728
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,240
some actor

729
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,679
being the recipient of secret

730
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:45,600
information then being killed by pushed

731
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,400
off a bridge

732
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,480
and there's lots of children being held

733
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:50,000
captive and this black male

734
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,279
you know all sorts of crazy stuff that

735
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,520
i'm sure you've heard this type of thing

736
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,720
but it's like there's something for

737
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:57,200
everybody in in these people and you can

738
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:58,000
kind of pick

739
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:00,159
which one you want to do you do them

740
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,919
slightly more vanilla ones with trump

741
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:03,200
and then the more extreme ones with

742
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,559
sydney apparel and then even more

743
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:05,840
extreme

744
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:08,559
uh with uh with lynn wood i guess your

745
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:09,120
friend

746
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,799
kind of tends towards the more extreme

747
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,840
stuff like with the the children and

748
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,000
whatnot

749
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:17,039
yeah so she mentioned the adrenal chrome

750
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:18,400
stuff back in

751
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:21,279
april march i'm not on facebook anymore

752
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,320
but she is

753
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,159
my partner is and he's obviously seen

754
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,760
stuff that she posts

755
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,520
and there's been stuff on there about

756
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,279
you know however hundreds of thousands

757
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:31,679
of children a year go missing

758
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,559
and where where do they all go and then

759
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,840
obviously when you look at the

760
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,159
statistics i think it's something like

761
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:41,520
98 of those children are found within 48

762
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,080
hours

763
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,200
or something yeah that is 800

764
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,679
000 is the number but it is it's just

765
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,240
children who are reported missing

766
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:52,799
and it's it's generally uh you know kids

767
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,679
who have

768
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,039
not come home because they're out

769
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,039
playing late or something like that or

770
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,000
there are kids where there's you know

771
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,679
some kind of custodial dispute like

772
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:04,000
between parents and things like that so

773
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,520
it's not like they're really missing as

774
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,279
such it's just

775
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:10,240
uh yeah i think what he gets conflated

776
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:10,720
with

777
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,600
is stranger abductions where somebody

778
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:15,200
who isn't known to the child

779
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,320
takes that child and they think of that

780
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:19,919
as being the actual number like

781
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,360
800 000 people are taken away and then

782
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,360
yeah taken to dungeons somewhere and

783
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,799
tortured and killed

784
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,880
and people literally believe this which

785
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,159
is pretty scary though

786
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:33,360
they would yeah and um

787
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:37,200
i think it can drive certain people to

788
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,000
doing

789
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:40,159
extreme things if they believe if they

790
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,279
truly believe that

791
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:43,840
the government's stealing or whoever it

792
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:44,559
is

793
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,480
children a year

794
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:50,640
and if you truly believe that you might

795
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:51,520
end up

796
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,640
trying to do something about it

797
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,240
um and i think that's where this

798
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,480
conspiracy is quite dangerous because

799
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,120
i think people are or do want to do

800
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:03,039
something and take action

801
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:05,760
you see rallies and that sort of thing

802
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:06,640
you have here

803
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:09,520
anti-mask protests and there's a cue and

804
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,000
on

805
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:12,320
presence um at those sort of things and

806
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:13,360
there's a

807
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,679
save the children uh protests

808
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,919
and rallies but then obviously you're

809
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,840
going to get people on their own like

810
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,679
pizzagate that sort of thing where

811
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:25,279
people try and take it into their own

812
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,080
hands

813
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,919
and that's that's the thing that i find

814
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:29,279
most worrying about this

815
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,559
is that um people could really ruin

816
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:34,320
their lives

817
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:37,520
um yeah there's been a few

818
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:40,480
uh more cases uh in the states recently

819
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,200
like there was

820
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,440
there was a pharmacist like a you know

821
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:44,880
chemist who

822
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,000
uh i destroyed some corona

823
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,640
backs chrono virus vaccines here in the

824
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:52,640
states like 500 doses

825
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,360
because he he believed that the you know

826
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,200
that they were doing harm and so

827
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,679
yeah and then after he got arrested and

828
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:00,720
questioned for this

829
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,320
it came out that he believed a whole

830
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:04,480
bunch of other q-type conspiracy

831
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:05,679
theories

832
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:08,720
uh you know all of the usual suspects

833
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:11,440
and he's a guy who's in the local uh

834
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,559
drug store

835
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,440
like filling people's scriptures and has

836
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:17,600
been doing this for many years and yet

837
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:18,480
he's

838
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,919
beliefs and who knows you know what

839
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,520
what he might have done but yeah people

840
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,480
do these uh quite dramatic things

841
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:28,559
your friend though like yeah i mean i

842
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:29,919
guess she's not the type of person who

843
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:30,399
would

844
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,520
do anything like that but it other

845
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,360
actions that she has taken as a

846
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:37,919
consequence of her belief

847
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,760
yeah so um not wearing a mask

848
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,600
when you're out and about is is one of

849
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:45,120
them so in the uk

850
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,559
um i i think it's a law that you have to

851
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,440
wear a mask

852
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,320
in inside a shop or that sort of thing

853
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:54,080
but some people are exempt

854
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,799
if you have anxiety or breathing

855
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,559
condition that sort of thing

856
00:29:01,590 --> 00:29:00,880
there's usually a policy of not asking

857
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:01,600
people and

858
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,559
british people aren't very

859
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,799
confrontational anyway

860
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,679
um so she doesn't wear a mask and we've

861
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,960
got another friend who

862
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,880
who also believes the same stuff she

863
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,000
doesn't wear a mask either

864
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:14,240
and obviously doesn't follow the the

865
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,200
guidelines

866
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,520
the gatherings were of people and things

867
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,720
like that

868
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,640
yeah so that sort of thing gatherings

869
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,080
using hand wash

870
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,399
she believes that using the alcohol hand

871
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:25,679
wash can actually make you

872
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,399
sick wearing a mask can make you sick

873
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:30,000
and obviously

874
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:33,360
she's worried about mandated vaccines

875
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:36,159
so she she won't be taking the vaccine

876
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,880
you mentioned

877
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,640
in your email that you had a shared

878
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,559
interest in cults

879
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,080
which is very interesting to me because

880
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:43,919
there's obviously this kind of

881
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,720
overlap about how people get sucked into

882
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,679
cults

883
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,000
and how you get sucked into beliefs like

884
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,159
this can you talk about that

885
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,159
yeah one of the things that we're both

886
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:56,559
interested in as a hobby i suppose

887
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,600
is um reading about cults watching

888
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:02,000
documentaries about cults we're both

889
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,880
really into

890
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:04,399
that sort of thing the same sort of way

891
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:05,679
that people are into murder

892
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,830
so we watch murder documentaries and

893
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,520
cults documentaries

894
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:17,440
it's funny that it's such a it's such a

895
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,799
big thing people love

896
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:20,399
that sort of stuff and obviously it's

897
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,919
all about human psychology it's

898
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:23,279
interesting

899
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,559
um so yeah that's

900
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,559
that's one of the things that um

901
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,240
flummoxed me a little bit because

902
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,360
we both have this shared interest and i

903
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:35,440
see a lot of similarities between

904
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,480
q and on and colts the fact that she

905
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,000
decided that she didn't want to speak to

906
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:42,880
me anymore when i challenged her beliefs

907
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,000
that's quite cult-like and in the

908
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:48,159
q and on casualties read it a lot of

909
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,840
people talk about how their families

910
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,880
have decided

911
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,159
that they would don't want to speak to

912
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,720
them anymore because they don't believe

913
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,600
what they believe and whether it's cue

914
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,360
or people in the queue community

915
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:02,000
have sort of said just get rid of people

916
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,360
in your life that

917
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:06,159
don't support your views so i do i find

918
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:07,120
it strange that

919
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:10,240
she's armored with this knowledge of how

920
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,200
cults work

921
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:14,080
and how people get drawn in but yet it

922
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,960
still hasn't

923
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,880
stopped her from being drawn in yeah

924
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:18,159
it's interesting like you say armored

925
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:19,200
with that knowledge

926
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,559
because you know i would have thought

927
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:22,159
that this this knowledge of how

928
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,440
something works

929
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:26,159
like uh this mind control this coercive

930
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,000
mind control

931
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,720
would in some ways inoculate you against

932
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:32,159
these things uh

933
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,679
maybe inoculation wouldn't be the good

934
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:35,039
phrase to use with your friend because

935
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:36,880
she doesn't believe in inoculation but

936
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,559
armors are against it if you're aware of

937
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,480
the technique someone uses for mind

938
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,640
control

939
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,519
but yeah i think you hear about people

940
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,200
who get into cults

941
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:52,000
and they all say oh i i would never fall

942
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,200
for a cult and

943
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,279
yeah there's no way you would it would

944
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:56,960
affect me and so

945
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,000
what this can't be a cult because

946
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,640
it's me and i know about cults so maybe

947
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,000
maybe it gave her a false sense of

948
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:05,919
security the fact that she knew about

949
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:08,000
cults yeah and i think i don't think

950
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:09,679
there's many people that would say

951
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,919
that they that they would fall for a

952
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:12,799
cult

953
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,919
indeed you know and people that people

954
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,760
that fall into them don't realize until

955
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:19,840
they've left and it takes quite a bit of

956
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,559
undoing

957
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,640
and i think q anon is probably the same

958
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,440
because it contains so much stuff that

959
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:27,919
it's going to take people a long time to

960
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,480
come

961
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,799
out the other side i do i do find it

962
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,000
interesting though that

963
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:34,080
yeah but one of the things that i've

964
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,039
been thinking about is

965
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:37,360
my friend's just slightly older than me

966
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,480
and um

967
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:40,880
when i was growing up i was aware of

968
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:41,600
4chan

969
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,480
and it obviously wasn't taken seriously

970
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,159
it was a website for trolls

971
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,880
um and a chan there was child

972
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,159
pornography on there

973
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,399
but she would have grown up when people

974
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,799
didn't have internet in their houses

975
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:57,200
and maybe she wasn't aware of those

976
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,240
sites or

977
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,919
because if someone says to me this has

978
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,320
come from 4chan or this has come from a

979
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,000
chan

980
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,039
i'm i sort of have this knowledge that

981
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,360
i'm not going to believe it whereas

982
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:11,360
maybe i think q anon affects people who

983
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:12,080
are slightly

984
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:15,840
older because um they're not as aware of

985
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:18,320
those parts of the internet yeah

986
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:19,440
interesting

987
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:22,799
yeah you do tend to see somewhat older

988
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:23,519
people

989
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,320
like 40 plus yeah you know i'm pretty

990
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,159
old myself but i i

991
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,760
i've been deeply involved with the

992
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,760
internet uh since a very early age so

993
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:33,440
i'm familiar with all kinds of aspects

994
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,559
of it

995
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,159
but a lot of the older people like you

996
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,760
say perhaps uh

997
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,679
yeah you you miss out on the new things

998
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,960
that are coming out at some point you

999
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,640
stop following all the new stuff like

1000
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:44,320
yeah you don't know what tic toc is when

1001
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:50,070
uh yeah whatever the whatever the kids

1002
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:51,519
are using nowadays it's not

1003
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,399
how you would describe it so like a

1004
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:55,840
younger person you think

1005
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,799
might have a better uh knowledge of what

1006
00:34:02,789 --> 00:33:59,760
what 4chan and

1007
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:02,799
chan actually are and so

1008
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,919
be able to dismiss it more more uh

1009
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,279
accurately

1010
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:09,679
than the other you just say well why

1011
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,399
wouldn't

1012
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,720
q have their own website if they've got

1013
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,399
a queue clearance

1014
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,440
why are they posting on some obscure

1015
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,480
meme internet forum

1016
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:21,839
why aren't they posting on their own

1017
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,720
website or somewhere more reputable

1018
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,520
um yeah because they could they could

1019
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,280
come up with something or at least

1020
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:31,040
yeah somewhere more reputable because i

1021
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:32,960
think the the reason they would give is

1022
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,679
that

1023
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,440
on these image boards you can use this

1024
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,919
anonymous verification code the trip

1025
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:39,040
code

1026
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,639
which proves that it's the same person

1027
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:42,159
posting or at least a person who has the

1028
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,679
same code

1029
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,440
posting over and over again but if it

1030
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:48,000
was um legitimate they could post on the

1031
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,879
dart web

1032
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:51,359
they could use a vpn and they could put

1033
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,639
it in one place

1034
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,320
rather than just being corrupted by all

1035
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,320
this this nonsense around them on

1036
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:58,640
on hand and they can it's a very good

1037
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:59,599
point uh

1038
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,640
how do you think your friend would

1039
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:02,560
respond if you've raised that point with

1040
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,200
her

1041
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,920
i don't think she follows the drops on

1042
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,680
eight koon so i don't know

1043
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,359
how she would feel about that i'm sure

1044
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,800
she would probably come up with some

1045
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:12,000
sort of answer she would

1046
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,599
i listened to a really interesting

1047
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:16,000
podcast recently about q and on called a

1048
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:19,680
q clearance um where they talk about

1049
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,680
who who q actually is um

1050
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:26,079
and they think it's actually run by the

1051
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:27,520
watkins family the

1052
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:30,800
the people that own acount ron and jim

1053
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:32,000
watkins

1054
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,359
yeah and there's a lot of interesting

1055
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,520
things to say about them and why

1056
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,440
why you wouldn't follow some of these

1057
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:39,119
guys they're not the morally the best

1058
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,680
people

1059
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:41,040
if they they're talking about a

1060
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,880
pedophile ring um

1061
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,800
but yeah they run a site where

1062
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,560
pedophiles are allowed to post child

1063
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,400
pornography

1064
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:50,400
it almost reminds me of you know people

1065
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:51,760
excusing trump's

1066
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,200
uh sins uh because they think he is

1067
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:58,000
a you know an agent of god or you know a

1068
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:59,040
a weapon of god

1069
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:00,720
and they're just using him for this this

1070
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:03,040
thing and they might excuse this

1071
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,560
the fact that it's gone through hate

1072
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:06,480
chan for similar reasons but you know

1073
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:06,880
just

1074
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:09,599
it seems like a pretty bizarre belief to

1075
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:10,400
me but i guess

1076
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:11,839
some people might do that this is

1077
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:13,839
another one of the things that's

1078
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,800
baffled me is that previously my friend

1079
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,920
hated trump

1080
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,760
she thought that he was you know as

1081
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,280
horrible as i think he is

1082
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:23,359
because of this his attitude towards

1083
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,560
women racism

1084
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,960
that sort of thing but i've seen her

1085
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,160
post maga

1086
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,560
on her facebook page which i just like

1087
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,920
find absolutely

1088
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:34,400
it's just a 180. she went to a festival

1089
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:35,680
a couple of years ago and there was a

1090
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,800
guy there who

1091
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:39,040
believed in cuenon and she when she came

1092
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:40,560
back she told me oh there's this guy

1093
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,680
there he

1094
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,760
believed this crazy conspiracy and it

1095
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,040
was embarrassing

1096
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,040
but now she recently said to me oh we're

1097
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:48,800
really good friends and he sends me all

1098
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,240
this really good information

1099
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,480
and i used to think he was crazy but now

1100
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:54,880
i think he's got the right idea

1101
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,160
do you feel like your friend is a

1102
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,320
different person now yes

1103
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,960
it's difficult i one of the things i've

1104
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,079
been wrestling

1105
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:04,320
with is is this person i still want in

1106
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,359
my life they

1107
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:07,040
believe things that are massively

1108
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:08,640
against what i believe but they are

1109
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,920
still my friend

1110
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,599
i don't know will we be able to have a

1111
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,839
normal relationship again because

1112
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,400
q anon takes over people's lives they

1113
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,240
don't think about anything else

1114
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:20,400
it's something that they do the whole in

1115
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,000
their whole spell time when they

1116
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:24,160
speak to you that's all they can speak

1117
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,760
about because

1118
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,359
if they believe these things are so

1119
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,960
horrendous that are happening in the

1120
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:29,920
world

1121
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,720
they can't not think about them or it's

1122
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:34,240
a massive part of their life

1123
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,760
to me it's my friend but for other

1124
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,000
people it's their family members

1125
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,599
especially if we're being locked down

1126
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,359
together people are

1127
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,680
with their parents that may be believing

1128
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:45,680
it that sort of thing and

1129
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:48,880
it's it's a it's a big dilemma to sort

1130
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,119
of

1131
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,040
decide is this something that i'm going

1132
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,000
to try and help this person out of this

1133
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,440
or is this something where i'm going to

1134
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,079
say i'm just going to step aside and let

1135
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:59,599
them get on with it because it is so

1136
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,400
huge

1137
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:02,800
that it's going to take a long time what

1138
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,520
do you think the

1139
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,839
the future holds for you and your friend

1140
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:07,280
i was kind of hoping that

1141
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,240
after the election things would die down

1142
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,920
i was really hoping for biden to win

1143
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,200
because i was hoping that

1144
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:15,280
people would come away from q and c

1145
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,640
nothing's come true

1146
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,800
and how can we keep following something

1147
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,200
if none of it comes true but

1148
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,119
it feel like because they've based such

1149
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:25,839
a massive part of their lives on this

1150
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,560
belief

1151
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,200
it would almost be worse to just discard

1152
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,640
it

1153
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,640
and so they in a way they have to carry

1154
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,400
it on for themselves

1155
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:36,960
so i'm not sure if if i'm if there's

1156
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,000
anything i can do

1157
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,400
i think uh perhaps you know the the

1158
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:41,680
election itself

1159
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:45,200
wasn't conclusive for a lot of people uh

1160
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:48,560
because uh you know trump is still

1161
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:49,599
president

1162
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,119
for the next few weeks uh so

1163
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:55,920
perhaps there might be a better

1164
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:56,640
opportunity

1165
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,680
after biden becomes president and it

1166
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,200
becomes more clear that

1167
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,320
trump did not in fact win and the

1168
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,000
if there was a plan that it didn't

1169
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,000
actually work and so perhaps there

1170
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,000
wasn't a plan because right now i think

1171
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,800
the q people are reframing uh trump's

1172
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:14,400
loss in the election

1173
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,160
as being essentially part of the plan

1174
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:20,240
yeah right at the start they were saying

1175
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,359
it was a trick

1176
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,480
to expose election fraud and all this

1177
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:26,400
election fraud was going to be exposed

1178
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,760
they had like secrets

1179
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,920
secret bar codes on the on the ballots

1180
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:31,119
and things like that there was all these

1181
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,480
theories about what was actually

1182
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:33,839
happening

1183
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:37,119
none of which is coming true and if

1184
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,240
we get to this this hard stop

1185
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:43,119
when biden becomes president i would

1186
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,160
hope that that

1187
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:47,280
uh you know becomes

1188
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,000
a turning point for a lot of people it

1189
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,079
won't be immediate i'm sure

1190
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,480
but it will be it's a very solid thing

1191
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,640
you know biden is now president whereas

1192
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:58,079
right now after the election he's not

1193
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:59,359
president yet and there's all this

1194
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:00,400
dispute

1195
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,280
so maybe wait a few weeks and uh

1196
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:05,280
re-evaluate yeah fingers crossed i'm

1197
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,400
hoping that

1198
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,760
that will make a difference i mean i'm

1199
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,520
hoping that i mean i think tomorrow

1200
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,000
there's meant to be a blackout

1201
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,640
that's what i think hughes predicted so

1202
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:16,160
hopefully well obviously that's not

1203
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,920
going to come true

1204
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:19,280
yeah i think things are things are going

1205
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:21,760
to happen uh over the next few days

1206
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,960
which will clarify

1207
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,640
these predictions like you know if

1208
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,000
there's a blackout that's being

1209
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,079
predicted and it doesn't happen

1210
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:31,200
uh is that a wake-up call and you see

1211
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:32,319
lots of people who used to be cue

1212
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,359
believers and

1213
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,760
something didn't come true and they they

1214
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:38,000
that allows them to question it

1215
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,680
but obviously in cults and you know

1216
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,520
religious like millennial religions

1217
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:44,720
where they think the end of the world is

1218
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,599
coming

1219
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,760
things can go wrong numerous times

1220
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:49,599
before people they just move the date

1221
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,560
forward yeah yeah they say oh it wasn't

1222
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,760
a blackout or

1223
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,680
they were claimed that they themselves

1224
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:57,440
prevented this thing from happening and

1225
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,560
it was their warnings

1226
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,079
of this thing happening that caused it

1227
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:02,000
not to happen which is a useful

1228
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,839
get out of jail card yeah and i also

1229
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,079
hope that when the um

1230
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:10,480
coronavirus restrictions start to become

1231
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:11,200
lifted

1232
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:15,040
when the vaccines rolled out and

1233
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,880
we can start seeing things sort of going

1234
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,480
back to normal that that will help

1235
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,400
yes because i think a big thing that

1236
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,000
plays into this is that

1237
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,160
um people think that this isn't a

1238
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,839
temporary thing that this is what the

1239
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:27,520
government actually wants

1240
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,040
people to be um locked down and not be

1241
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,440
able to meet up together

1242
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,760
um yeah i totally agree that's going to

1243
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,359
be a huge thing because

1244
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,599
there's been predictions from the very

1245
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:41,760
start that it's going to be martial law

1246
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,640
and everybody's going to be ushered into

1247
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,560
concentration camps or whatever

1248
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,000
or it's going to be a continuous

1249
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,680
lockdown uh

1250
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,400
but i think hopefully you know we're not

1251
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,240
going to go back to exactly the same

1252
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:56,480
way things were before for quite a long

1253
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,520
time

1254
00:42:02,550 --> 00:41:59,680
but over the next year or two things are

1255
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,560
going to return to normal and that i

1256
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:03,680
think we'll uh

1257
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:06,480
will damp down some of the flames

1258
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,280
hopefully

1259
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,440
yeah i hope so i mean it'd be nice for

1260
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:11,200
us all to get out of this situation

1261
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,720
anyway

1262
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,280
yes interesting though it's a unique

1263
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,520
time in human history really

1264
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:19,920
as we had we had pandemics before but we

1265
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:21,920
never had pandemics with the internet

1266
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:22,240
and

1267
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,040
now

1268
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,400
and it's it's it's uncharted territory

1269
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,800
and it's it's the historians are going

1270
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:33,680
to look back on

1271
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:36,480
on this period as uh as being a very

1272
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:37,359
interesting one

1273
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,319
and we're just going to cross our

1274
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,720
fingers i don't think that youtube has

1275
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,920
helped i think

1276
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:44,400
obviously um youtube have tried to fix

1277
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:44,960
their

1278
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,079
algorithm so that people don't get just

1279
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:49,920
conspiracy videos it used to be that if

1280
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,839
you looked at conspiracy theories

1281
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,000
you just only got conspiracy theory

1282
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:56,000
videos we used to have a joke in our

1283
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,960
house that

1284
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,960
if you just left youtube running

1285
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,720
eventually it would start playing

1286
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,480
conspiracy videos

1287
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,920
because you'd come back to it eight

1288
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:06,000
hours later and there'd be some video

1289
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:06,800
about

1290
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:10,000
9 11 where's that coming from

1291
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,440
it's interesting because you you get

1292
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,960
this skewed perspective i think of

1293
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:13,760
conspiracy

1294
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:16,800
uh well of youtube and what's on it

1295
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,839
uh i i did some experiments where i

1296
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,359
started with a clean browser so i didn't

1297
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,040
know who i was

1298
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,599
and the stuff it showed was the most

1299
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:26,640
boring

1300
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:29,359
pap imaginable it was it was like

1301
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:29,920
colorful

1302
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:32,960
videos of people dancing and uh

1303
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,839
uh youtube influencers like showing

1304
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:37,520
their vacation photographs and things

1305
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:38,319
like that

1306
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,680
which i think is actually what most

1307
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,760
people watch on youtube

1308
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,480
is this kind of really you know mundane

1309
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,839
ordinary stuff

1310
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:47,599
and if you are interested in conspiracy

1311
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,040
theories you end up getting this

1312
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,880
this this very distorted view of the

1313
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,240
world because the conspiracy

1314
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,079
theory stuff on youtube is only like one

1315
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:55,760
percent of it if that in

1316
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,000
in terms of what people actually watch

1317
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,079
you look at the big youtube channels

1318
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,040
um the big uh thinking pewdiepie or

1319
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:04,720
someone like that who just makes silly

1320
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,480
videos about video games and memes

1321
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:10,960
uh that's he's got like whatever it is

1322
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,040
like you know 200 million or a billion

1323
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,040
followers or whatever it is but

1324
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:17,119
then you've got the conspiracy theory

1325
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,400
people who have

1326
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:21,200
200 000 followers and yet if you're

1327
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,000
interested in

1328
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,920
that yeah so that's all you see you

1329
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:25,280
don't see pewdiepie

1330
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:28,240
pewdiepie never shows up on my feed but

1331
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,240
all this conspiracy nonsense does so

1332
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:34,240
you got to try i think to break people

1333
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,920
out of this bubble and

1334
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,680
this tiny little bubble really and

1335
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:38,960
getting to see the

1336
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,319
the real world it's a challenge in a way

1337
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,160
it's sort of taken over my life

1338
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,800
because it's something that i'm looking

1339
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,920
at all the time now

1340
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:50,480
i don't believe in it but it's something

1341
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,280
that i'm

1342
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:53,920
constantly looking at or wanting updates

1343
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,319
on

1344
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:57,440
and listening to podcasts about it and

1345
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:00,160
i'm watching stuff on youtube and

1346
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,000
debunking stuff

1347
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,920
so in a way even though i'm not a

1348
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,280
conspiracy theorist

1349
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:07,599
it's sort of it's a huge part of my life

1350
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,960
now as well

1351
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,160
well i suppose in a way it's an

1352
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:12,319
extension of an interest in

1353
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,520
uh cults or you know or even like people

1354
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,359
who listen to murder podcasts

1355
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,880
only if you listen to murder podcasts

1356
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:20,480
like my favorite murder you might get

1357
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,800
the

1358
00:45:23,050 --> 00:45:22,000
impression that people are being

1359
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,060
murdered all the time

1360
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:25,599
[Laughter]

1361
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:29,359
so because it's not

1362
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:32,560
it's not as big as as people think like

1363
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,960
this

1364
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,720
yeah especially like the adrenacurum

1365
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:36,960
aspect of it the more extreme aspects of

1366
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,359
it are

1367
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:39,119
a fairly small number of people

1368
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,800
obviously the election fraud thing is

1369
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:41,839
quite popular and

1370
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,319
anti-backs is quite popular but these

1371
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:45,680
these more extreme things

1372
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:49,920
i think are pretty uh pretty um marginal

1373
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:52,000
yeah most people that i mentioned q and

1374
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,119
on two don't

1375
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:55,839
don't know it um obviously i'm in the uk

1376
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:58,079
so it's different but yeah most

1377
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,680
most people that i've sort of mentioned

1378
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,520
to here don't know about

1379
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,520
pizzagate don't don't know about q and

1380
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,960
on not some not something that's on

1381
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:06,400
their radar

1382
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:09,680
but then you do see people um

1383
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,880
sharing conspiracy related content or q

1384
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:15,040
anon related content without actually

1385
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,079
knowing

1386
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:21,349
do do you have like uh any kind of

1387
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:22,960
british or european

1388
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,359
uh conspiracy theories that are somewhat

1389
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,000
similar or at the same level

1390
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:30,240
as that that you're aware of that we

1391
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:31,440
might not have heard of

1392
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:34,480
in the united states the same as um

1393
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,520
q and on yeah in terms of like

1394
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,599
you know there being some kind of deep

1395
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:41,440
state conspiracy to do certain i mean

1396
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:42,000
what about the

1397
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,599
the great replacement theory have you

1398
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:45,119
heard of that one no i've not heard of

1399
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,680
that one

1400
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,079
it's like a theory that white people are

1401
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:49,839
being replaced by immigrants

1402
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:52,640
as a deliberate way of changing society

1403
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,520
and

1404
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,359
changing the power structure or

1405
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:57,040
something like that

1406
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,880
yeah i mean i think i've sort of heard

1407
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,240
of that sort of thing but that's

1408
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:01,760
i think i would say that's probably

1409
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,870
it's a white nationalist type thing

1410
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:09,359
obviously and uh yeah i think you guys

1411
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,560
in america

1412
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,720
are much better at conspiracies than we

1413
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:14,480
are

1414
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,599
well we've got uh it's the whole jfk

1415
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,520
thing the whole jfk thing i think

1416
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,599
was was a big part they've been around

1417
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:23,280
for since before jfk

1418
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:26,400
and they've been a a constant feature of

1419
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:27,040
the

1420
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,480
mainstream

1421
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:38,160
and you know the very term conspiracy

1422
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,520
theory itself

1423
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,839
only really gained in popularity after

1424
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:43,599
the jfk assassinations and then

1425
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,800
after uh the rfk assassinations martin

1426
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:48,160
luther king as well

1427
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:49,920
uh there was looking at this slew of

1428
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,319
assassinations in the 60s

1429
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,079
and i think the whole conspiracy theory

1430
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:56,160
thing kind of dates back to around that

1431
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,880
time

1432
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,319
and of course the there's a conspiracy

1433
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,160
theory about that which is that

1434
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,160
the term conspiracy theory was invented

1435
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,680
to denigrate people who believed in

1436
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,920
these conspiracy theories

1437
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,599
because it also came out around that

1438
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,200
time

1439
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:11,440
yes i agree with you the americans do do

1440
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,720
conspiracy theories

1441
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,880
at a different uh in a different

1442
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,000
different level

1443
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,200
uh yeah like i said at the

1444
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:21,280
beginning there are there are conspiracy

1445
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:22,640
theories that are real like you've got

1446
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,440
stuff like mk

1447
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,760
ultra and that sort of thing yeah and so

1448
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,920
there are real conspiracies

1449
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:30,079
um and that's one of the things i always

1450
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,599
point to when i discuss

1451
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,839
discuss it is that um the amount of

1452
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:35,440
people that would be involved

1453
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:39,040
um for this conspiracy to work

1454
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,400
that eventually it's bound to leak

1455
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:45,359
somehow from a reputable source and you

1456
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,559
see that with

1457
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:49,200
conspiracies that ha that are real um

1458
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,079
that

1459
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:52,000
it's there's too many people involved

1460
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:53,200
for them to keep it

1461
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:56,160
sort of under wraps that's why you know

1462
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,599
a lot of these things they don't

1463
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,440
they don't stand up because why are

1464
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,119
people not saying anything

1465
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,880
yeah and i think that's even more true

1466
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,200
now i was thinking yesterday you know

1467
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,040
this tape came out

1468
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,240
uh like straight away uh with this

1469
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:12,079
this phone call when you go back to

1470
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,599
times like watergate

1471
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:15,839
where tapes were actual tapes and there

1472
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,119
was no way of the public

1473
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,680
actually listening to a piece of audio

1474
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:20,880
like how do you actually the only way

1475
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,520
you would

1476
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,880
hear it is if it was aired on the

1477
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,640
evening news or aired on the radio or

1478
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,079
something like that

1479
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:28,319
whereas now things get out so quickly

1480
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,760
and everything is the potential of being

1481
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,960
recorded

1482
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,880
it's it's probably a hundred times

1483
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,079
harder now to keep

1484
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:37,119
a conspiracy uh secret than it was

1485
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,400
back in the 1960s and even in the 1960s

1486
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,319
relatively mundane conspiracy theories

1487
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,160
came out all the time

1488
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:46,720
yeah and stuff gets leaked all the time

1489
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,599
to the press

1490
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,359
um in the uk you know from the

1491
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,599
government and stuff is getting leaked

1492
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,680
gets leaked all the time almost every

1493
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,839
week there's a leak

1494
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,520
i think they the conspiracy theorists

1495
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:59,119
would claim that all those leaks are

1496
00:50:03,270 --> 00:49:59,920
actually

1497
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,280
controlled disinformation so

1498
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,640
they kind of wrap it all up as being

1499
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:06,160
part of the plan in which you know is

1500
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:06,800
the cue

1501
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:09,599
accused strategy uh that everything is

1502
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,880
part of the plan

1503
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,319
so if something appears to be going

1504
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:14,000
wrong that's part of the plan too and if

1505
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,040
something doesn't come true

1506
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:17,920
that's part of the plan so it's a get

1507
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,480
out of jail

1508
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,559
jail free card and i think one other

1509
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,880
thing that that draws people in is this

1510
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:24,880
idea of there being a plan

1511
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:28,400
um because life is chaotic and

1512
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,800
there isn't a plan um no one really

1513
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:31,920
knows what they're doing

1514
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,200
it just shows the way that this

1515
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:35,680
pandemic's been handled

1516
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:38,559
yeah interesting you know they are

1517
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,839
trying to follow the best advice that

1518
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,599
they can but they're juggling other

1519
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:43,040
things like the economy that sort of

1520
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,920
stuff

1521
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:46,319
and it's just sort of shown there isn't

1522
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,280
really a plan

1523
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,200
we're all winging it and i think that

1524
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:51,280
people like the idea of there being a

1525
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:51,760
plan

1526
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,319
yeah that's quite apparent when they one

1527
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,400
of the sayings of the q anon crowd is

1528
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,160
trust the plan

1529
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,160
and you hear that repeated over and over

1530
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:01,839
again it's like a mantra

1531
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,960
and i think it does actually have like

1532
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,960
a calming soothing effect on your mind

1533
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:08,640
you trust the plan there's a plan

1534
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:12,240
trust the plan and yeah if you trust the

1535
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,119
plan

1536
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:16,160
it's like the same religious effect of

1537
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:17,520
like having faith in god

1538
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,880
like trust god's plan is a direct

1539
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:23,119
equivalent to that thing like we don't

1540
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:24,079
know

1541
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:25,440
why we're going through this hardship

1542
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,079
but trust god's plan and now we've got

1543
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:30,559
trust cues plan and i think it helps

1544
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,440
people

1545
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:34,079
uh get through difficult times if they

1546
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:35,520
have trust that there is some kind of

1547
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:36,000
plan

1548
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:37,760
that is all going to come out well in

1549
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,160
the end yeah because we're obviously in

1550
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:41,839
a crisis at the moment and i

1551
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,599
i think it's like yeah people become

1552
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:45,200
drawn to religion when they're in a

1553
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,920
crisis

1554
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,920
and and i think people have become drawn

1555
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:48,960
to this

1556
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:51,920
because it's nice to feel like there's a

1557
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:52,480
plan

1558
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:01,680
evil that's going on in the world then

1559
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:04,000
let's just follow the plan and i think

1560
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:05,119
before

1561
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,240
um covered 19 people were sort of

1562
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,920
the q and on things sort of seemed like

1563
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:11,760
it was dying down a little bit

1564
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,440
that's the impression that i got um

1565
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,599
but obviously as this pandemic's

1566
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,440
progressed it feels like it's ramped up

1567
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,800
again

1568
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,640
yeah indeed yeah it's given its fresh

1569
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,480
wings and the election

1570
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:27,040
has become the focal point of it as well

1571
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:27,680
which

1572
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,200
gave it a huge boost especially when uh

1573
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:33,359
yeah trump didn't disavow it and then

1574
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,480
other people around him

1575
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:37,520
started echoing q-type things

1576
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:40,240
it's really become pretty mainstream now

1577
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,280
and

1578
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,680
yeah i think i was along with a lot of

1579
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:45,680
people a year or two ago

1580
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,800
thinking it was just nonsense that

1581
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:51,040
didn't really deserve too much attention

1582
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,079
but obviously that's

1583
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,200
that was wrong and it's

1584
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,119
become this very significant force in

1585
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:59,119
american politics really

1586
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,240
when i um first sort of

1587
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:04,079
heard about q anon and i was looking

1588
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,280
into debunking it

1589
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,440
that sort of stuff there wasn't really a

1590
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,440
lot out there for

1591
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:11,440
debunking queueing on that um i was

1592
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:12,640
looking on metabunk

1593
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:15,280
your site um yeah there wasn't much

1594
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,319
there really yeah

1595
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,240
no because i don't think yeah people

1596
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:20,079
didn't take it seriously it's like a

1597
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,720
kooky

1598
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,960
thing it's like people that follow david

1599
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,319
ike it's

1600
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,880
sort of really out there like really far

1601
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:28,400
along the conspiracy

1602
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,319
timeline um and yeah i don't think

1603
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,920
people were paying a lot of attention to

1604
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,800
it didn't seem

1605
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,319
like something that a lot of people were

1606
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:38,480
really into it was just like a few

1607
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,520
extreme

1608
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:42,000
people but now it seems like that it's

1609
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,520
it's leaked out

1610
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:45,920
a lot further into society than than it

1611
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,160
was initially anticipated do

1612
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:50,240
yeah well let's hope that uh i guess

1613
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:51,359
we'll uh

1614
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:54,160
see what the next six months will bring

1615
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,680
yeah i'll be interested to find out what

1616
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:57,280
happens at the end of january

1617
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:01,440
hopefully yeah no i'm uh i'm glued to my

1618
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,400
computer with every new development here

1619
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,760
this is always something new coming

1620
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,680
along

1621
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:10,000
well uh is there anything else you think

1622
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,119
you want to bring up that

1623
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:13,680
you haven't talked about i just want to

1624
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,319
say that

1625
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:16,240
if you're living at home at the moment

1626
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,599
with someone who's

1627
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:19,760
into queueing on come on the q and on

1628
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,880
casualties

1629
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,880
read it there's loads of support on

1630
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:25,200
there and great advice and

1631
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,720
it's good to then um and

1632
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,800
you might get some valuable information

1633
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,240
on how to help someone

1634
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:34,480
and if you do see a friend or family

1635
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,079
member going down that road

1636
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:38,319
it's best to try and speak to them

1637
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:39,839
before they get too far

1638
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,559
in and to remain compassionate people

1639
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:44,240
aren't idiots because they believe in

1640
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:46,799
conspiracy theories it could happen to

1641
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,440
anyone

1642
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,160
so treat people with compassion that's

1643
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:52,079
great advice uh

1644
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,680
well thank you very much sir georgina